Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 21:28:38 PST From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1467 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Wed, 15 Dec 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1467 Today's Topics: ARRL's callsign admin position Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 12 December Help! 9600 baud info needed! how to scare away birds from my antenna Info sought on QUANTUM batt. packs Logging Programs Precision resistors questions Receive broadcast FM on 2m mobile antenna? Reciprocal operating in Canada Review about dual-band radios. Scratchi, January, 1960 Trying WEFAX TVI weirdness Send Replies or notes for publication to: Send subscription requests to: Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Dec 93 10:07:42 EST From: sdd.hp.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!psinntp!arrl.org@network.ucsd.edu Subject: ARRL's callsign admin position To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In rec.radio.amateur.misc, CSLE87@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Karl Beckman) writes: >Jon - Let me amplify your point even further. I've never known any ARRL >official who would not converse with a non-ARRL member amateur, or for >that matter, most SWLs. Only a few of our politicians want to hear from >persons who don't impact either their re-election or bank balances. As >volunteers, you do try to represent ALL the US amateurs, not just your >paying constituency, and that is certainly to the credit of each of the >Directors and other ARRL officials. 73 WA8NVW Just to clarify, I'm not a volunteer, I'm paid staff. It's the volunteer elected Directors who set ARRL policy, and your remarks are right on, directed to them. ------ Jon Bloom, KE3Z | jbloom@arrl.org American Radio Relay League | 225 Main St., Newington CT 06111 | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 22:29:03 MST From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!nebulus!ve6mgs!usenet@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 12 December To: info-hams@ucsd.edu /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY 12 DECEMBER, 1993 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ (Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data) SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 12 DECEMBER, 1993 ------------------------------------------------------------ !!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 346, 12/12/93 10.7 FLUX=090.9 90-AVG=097 SSN=033 BKI=1014 2200 BAI=005 BGND-XRAY=B1.4 FLU1=2.5E+05 FLU10=1.2E+04 PKI=2124 2211 PAI=007 BOU-DEV=006,004,005,057,010,011,002,004 DEV-AVG=012 NT SWF=00:000 XRAY-MAX= B9.4 @ 0617UT XRAY-MIN= B1.1 @ 0150UT XRAY-AVG= B2.0 NEUTN-MAX= +003% @ 1810UT NEUTN-MIN= -002% @ 1225UT NEUTN-AVG= +0.3% PCA-MAX= +0.0DB @ 2350UT PCA-MIN= -0.4DB @ 1315UT PCA-AVG= -0.0DB BOUTF-MAX=55353NT @ 1309UT BOUTF-MIN=55341NT @ 1947UT BOUTF-AVG=55347NT GOES7-MAX=P:+000NT@ 0000UT GOES7-MIN=N:+000NT@ 0000UT G7-AVG=+063,+000,+000 GOES6-MAX=P:+113NT@ 1714UT GOES6-MIN=N:-074NT@ 0946UT G6-AVG=+087,+021,-035 FLUXFCST=STD:090,090,090;SESC:090,090,090 BAI/PAI-FCST=010,010,010/010,010,015 KFCST=1222 3221 1222 3221 27DAY-AP=009,008 27DAY-KP=3322 2123 3233 2212 WARNINGS= ALERTS= !!END-DATA!! NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 11 DEC 93 was 47.1. The Full Kp Indices for 11 DEC 93 are not available. SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY -------------------- Solar activity was very low. All the regions on the disk are quiet and stable. Solar activity forecast: solar activity is expected to be very low with a slight chance for an isolated C-flare. The geomagnetic field has been at mostly quiet levels for the past 24 hours. A period of active conditions occured from 0900-1200Z. Geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field is expected to be generally unsettled for the next three days. Influences from a coronal hole may increase levels to active sometime late on the third day. Event probabilities 13 dec-15 dec Class M 01/01/01 Class X 01/01/01 Proton 01/01/01 PCAF Green Geomagnetic activity probabilities 13 dec-15 dec A. Middle Latitudes Active 15/15/15 Minor Storm 05/05/05 Major-Severe Storm 01/01/01 B. High Latitudes Active 15/15/15 Minor Storm 05/05/05 Major-Severe Storm 01/01/01 HF propagation conditions were normal over the low and middle latitude regions. High and polar latitude paths continued to see sporadic periods of below-normal propagation conditions, although there have been improvements in these areas over the last 24 hours. Similar conditions are expected over the next 72 hours. COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SESC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS ======================================================== REGIONS WITH SUNSPOTS. LOCATIONS VALID AT 12/2400Z DECEMBER ----------------------------------------------------------- NMBR LOCATION LO AREA Z LL NN MAG TYPE 7629 S20W66 083 0040 HSX 01 001 ALPHA 7630 S10W71 088 0020 HRX 01 001 ALPHA 7633 S17W78 095 0000 AXX 01 001 ALPHA 7631 N13W59 076 PLAGE 7632 N05E31 346 PLAGE REGIONS DUE TO RETURN 13 DECEMBER TO 15 DECEMBER NMBR LAT LO 7620 N03 268 LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 12 DECEMBER, 1993 ------------------------------------------------------- BEGIN MAX END RGN LOC XRAY OP 245MHZ 10CM SWEEP SWF NO EVENTS OBSERVED POSSIBLE CORONAL MASS EJECTION EVENTS FOR 12 DECEMBER, 1993 ----------------------------------------------------------- ISOLATED HOLES AND POLAR EXTENSIONS EAST SOUTH WEST NORTH CAR TYPE POL AREA OBSN 53 S43E34 S43E34 S09W16 S05W14 015 ISO NEG 021 10830A SUMMARY OF FLARE EVENTS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY ------------------------------------------------ Date Begin Max End Xray Op Region Locn 2695 MHz 8800 MHz 15.4 GHz ------ ---- ---- ---- ---- -- ------ ------ --------- --------- --------- 11 Dec: 2331 2336 2344 B2.5 REGION FLARE STATISTICS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY ------------------------------------------------ C M X S 1 2 3 4 Total (%) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --- ------ Uncorrellated: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 001 (100.0) Total Events: 001 optical and x-ray. EVENTS WITH SWEEPS AND/OR OPTICAL PHENOMENA FOR THE LAST UTC DAY ---------------------------------------------------------------- Date Begin Max End Xray Op Region Locn Sweeps/Optical Observations ------ ---- ---- ---- ---- -- ------ ------ --------------------------- NO EVENTS OBSERVED. NOTES: All times are in Universal Time (UT). Characters preceding begin, max, and end times are defined as: B = Before, U = Uncertain, A = After. All times associated with x-ray flares (ex. flares which produce associated x-ray bursts) refer to the begin, max, and end times of the x-rays. Flares which are not associated with x-ray signatures use the optical observations to determine the begin, max, and end times. Acronyms used to identify sweeps and optical phenomena include: II = Type II Sweep Frequency Event III = Type III Sweep IV = Type IV Sweep V = Type V Sweep Continuum = Continuum Radio Event Loop = Loop Prominence System, Spray = Limb Spray, Surge = Bright Limb Surge, EPL = Eruptive Prominence on the Limb. ** End of Daily Report ** ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 1993 10:56:30 -0600 From: sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!bnrgate!corpgate!crchh327.bnr.ca!debaker@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Help! 9600 baud info needed! To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I am trying to get a radio modified for 9600 operation, but so far I haven't been able to get very much information. I am using a Kenwood TM-742A, and would like to run it at 9600. If anyone (preferably someone with a modified 742) knows how to do this, please email or post here, or packet mail at AB5PI@N5LDD.#DFW.TX.USA.NA Thanks, ____________________________________________________________ | David E. Baker Opinions expressed are | | Callsign: AB5PI mine, and they do not | | Internet: debaker@bnr.ca necessarily reflect | | IP Addr: 47.122.65.7 the opinions of BNR or | | Unix ID: crchh7b0 or Northern Telecom. | |----------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 00:21:25 GMT From: newshub.nosc.mil!avalon.chinalake.navy.mil!peewee.chinalake.navy.mil!erik@network.ucsd.edu Subject: how to scare away birds from my antenna To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Scott Dorsey (kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov) wrote: : In article <9312151601.AA00556@ganges.agro.nl> G.POLDER@CPRO.AGRO.NL writes: : >I'm thinking of scaring away birds from my antenna : >using ultrasound. I ever heard about people doing it, : >but don't know what frequency to use, or which : >output power. I find using a bb gun to be the most gratifying. Particularly if the birds in question are loud and obnoxious and other flying objects such as rocks, beer cans, and paint balls have failed to permanently discourage them. ;-) Many places sell phony owls and other predatory bird statues. In most cases these acomplish at least *some* deterrence. I have heard a garden hose strung around or near may be interpreted as a snake. Fine nylon netting may be used that will not capture or injure the birds, but they cannot fly through it and from a distance is is practically invisible to humans. Look for products in the garden dept. of a large hardware or department store. -- Erik van Bronkhorst KC6UUT DoD#4342585443 AMA#438054 BARF#002 Advocate and practitioner of Death Or Glory Programming (DOG-P) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 11:48:09 GMT From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!caen!malgudi.oar.net!witch!ame!psl@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Info sought on QUANTUM batt. packs To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Harry - In article <2efqou$jna@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, Matthew B Cravit (cravitma@arctic2.uucp) writes: >In article <1993Dec12.095415.1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu> white@ccsua.ctstateu.edu writes: >> >> I've been looking at battery packs for my TH78a.... Has anyone >> used the QUANTUM battery packs? Any feedback appreciated. >> 73s de N1QVE Harry white@csusys.ctstateu.edu > >I've not seen the Quantum HT batteries, but I have had very positive >experiences with the Quantum batteries for camera flashes. As I >recall, they were high capacity gel cells with charging circuitry etc. >built in to prevent overcharging. (A photographer friend of mine >leaves hers plugged in all the time). Hope this helps. > >/Matthew (Still waiting for my ticket, 5 weeks and counting) > >-- >Matthew Cravit | All opinions expressed here are >Michigan State University | my own. I don't speak for Michigan >East Lansing, MI 48825 | State, and they don't speak for me >E-Mail: cravitma@cps.msu.edu | (thank goodness). > I use one for my TH-77A. It is three years old and still going strong. It is heavy, but great for portable use and those days when you will be helping with an event all day long. It also is nice to get the full 5 watts on high power (12v). The comment about the charging circuitry is correct. These are lead acid batteries and they use an excellent charging circuit on them. Hope this helps. 73, Pete WB0FEW ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 93 20:53:13 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: Logging Programs To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Greetings... I have seen the discussions relating to logging / QSLing software, and they have brought a question to my mind. I'm looking for a logging package that has to meet some very specific (and apparently unusual) requirements. What I'm looking for is a system that will, upon my entering a call sign, interrogate my Yaesu CAT rig for the frequency and mode information, interrogate the QRZ! CD-ROM for name and address information, inquire of it's own database to recover information about previous contacts and notes that I made during those contacts and display all of this information on the screen. At the end of the QSO, I press a function key, and all of this information, including the date and time, is written to the database as a log entry, for QSL cards to be printed later, after the operating session. In this way, the computer takes over all the bookkeeping chores, and I get to enjoy the visit on the air. Is anyone familiar with any of the available logging programs that even comes close? I'm far too lazy to want to log my HF contacts, so I'm obviously too lazy to try and write my own program (unless, of course, I have to in order to get what I want). Please respond through the group, in that I can't imagine I'm the only ham that wants one of these. 73, Alan, N7CEU N7CEU@WF6O.#SOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM Alan_V._Cook@ccmail.anatcp.rockwell.com ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 93 00:02:22 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: Precision resistors questions To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Jeff, NH6IL asks about reading resistance values: >I have questions concerning the following two precision resistors: >1. Shallcross Akra-ohm wirewound type BX-100-J RB21B 13001F ABS > Is the resistance 13000 ohms? (1300 * 10^1 is how I interpret 13001) > What is the tolerance? >2. Resistance Products Company LFB RB15AK 1R669F > Is the resistance 1.669 ohms? > What is the tolerance? The value for the first resistor is 13,000 ohms 1%. The last "1" in the string indicates the number of trailing zeros. The two zeros preceding the last "1" are real numbers and could be any number from 0-9 and would be part of the resistance value. For the second, the value is correct at 1.669 ohms 1%. The "R" represents the decimal point and all digits following the "R" are real numbers. The letter "F" indicates a 1% tolerance. As for the remainging letters and numbers, I've forgotten what all of that means, but believe they indicate case style, power rating and wirewound. Hugh, W6WTU ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1993 21:33:53 GMT From: mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!apple.com!amd!netcomsv!netcom.com!btoback@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Receive broadcast FM on 2m mobile antenna? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <1993Dec10.154257.16572@ke4zv.atl.ga.us> gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) writes: >Note, a center of roof mount will still work better than the cowl >mount, but [the combined AM/FM/comm antenna] is better than >on-glass or magmount expedients. I have wondered about that. I was about to buy an on-glass dual-band antenna because a sunroof pretty much precludes center-of-roof mounting, and I saw that the claimed antenna gain figures for such antennas were quite respectable. However, assumed that the gain claimed included the loss associated with the mount. Is this not the case? How much loss is associated with the on-glass mount, assuming that the inside portion is properly grounded? -- Bruce Toback ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 23:40:11 GMT From: world!cravit@uunet.uu.net Subject: Reciprocal operating in Canada To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I will be visiting Toronto in a couple of weeks, and I was wondering the following about my Technician (no-code) license: 1) Can I legally operate in Canada with it (if I get it by then)? 2) Are my authorized bands the same as they are in the USA? 3) How must I identify myself? Is my US callsign sufficient, or do I have to add any additional identification to it? 4) Is there anything else I should know about? Thanks for any info anyone may be able to give me. Please respond via e-mail to cravit@world.std.com or cravitma@cps.msu.edu, in addition to posting. /Matthew (Callsign to go here, 5 weeks and counting.) ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 93 05:08:39 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: Review about dual-band radios. To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I recently asked for comments about radios on this forum, and boy did I get them!! Here are the relavent parts about dual-banders: I sincerely doubt you'll be able to find a dual bander for under $300. The only one I know of which has been advertised in that price range is the Alinco DJ-590. A friend of mine who has one has said that if you put a better antenna on it, it becomes a quite respectable radio. I would suggest trying to find someone who has one, and borrowing it for a few days. Or else, find a store which will let you return it if you don't like it. The Icom (W2A) has quirks -- wierd batteries and charger connection mean Icom is the only source and they'll be expensive, oddball placement of the VHF volume/squelch knob next to the antenna which makes it hard to turn -- but overall I like it. The receiver seems as good as any other HT, it's physically small but not so small as to vanish or be hard to read, it doesn't look ugly, and wide-band receive works pretty well. (3) MOTOROLA radios are in a class by themselves. They are indestructible. (I'm serious; I know people who have used them as weapons, *shattered the jaw of an assailant*, and still the radio was 100%. The problem is that you pay 2-3 times what any other radio company would charge. Mot is just not great amateur gear. Wonderful for public service. Note--this doesn't have much to do with dual-banders, but it's a wonderful story! (4) I love my FT-530 with the digital speaker mic. The IC-W2A is still gotta be one of the most sensitive radios on the market, great RX, wonderful, BUT -- no lit keypad, and a few other minuses. Friends who have the alinco dual-bander like it, as it's cheap and good. Several of my pals have Alinco 580 HTs and really like them. Myself, I went with the Yaesu FT-530, afew bucks more, but I really wanted the dual in band receive and the voltmeter. No regrets. Count me as one who likes his Alinco - a DJ580. It's easy to use, is easy on batteries, has a solid "feel" and has all the features I need (though some could be implemented better). If someone has experience with the older Alincos, they might have a different opinion. Check around for used ones; I've seen them for as little as $275. Check out the Radios Shack HT's. I know many folks who have them and they like them a lot. Seems they have a very tight front end which means you wont get intermod as bad as some of the others. Most dual band HT's are pretty broad so you can expect lots (or at least some) interference. This radio * is the only ham HT I have seen that approaches the durability of a Motorola HT. It is light-years a head of the W2A. I have a 24AT which uses the same batteries. Myself as well as every other person I know who has an Icom with those batteries has had a problem with the battery rails (plastic) cracking and falling off. :( Note: *=Yaesu FT-23R Alinco radios are not bad. I have two of their mobiles, a 570 and a 590, and I've found them excellent values. I don't own a DJ580, but several of my friends do. I haven't heard of any problems. I use the Yaesu FT470 as my handheld radio. I like the user interface very much, and it has a good thermal design, and an excellent battery saver circuit. However, I'd encourage you to *not* make a handheld your first radio. I think you'll find that a HT is less satisfactory than a mobile type rig for most applications. These comments were taken from the 20 or so responses I got to the question, "Can anyone recommend a good HT to me?" The authors are, in order: Mathew B. Cravit Jacob DeGlopper Scott Swanson Jason Penn Bruce Toback Barry Rose Steven M. Knapp Gary Coffman The "reviews" for single-band radios and the few comments I got about TNC's will come later. Just email me at: segigot@students.wisc.edu with comments or suggestions. I need to say a big "thank you" to everyone who wrote, for the help and the ability to brag about getting 17 email messages in 24 hours, all from total strangers :). I have just one thing to say: please, please! no flames about this. I think we're all just about ashes now from the past few weeks, anyway. If there's a problem, email me. Happy Holidays to everyone! 73, Scott Gigot N9VOM segigot@students.wisc.edu We're working on the HT, now! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 93 05:49:44 GMT From: news.kpc.com!amd!netcomsv!bongo!skyld!jangus@decwrl.dec.com Subject: Scratchi, January, 1960 To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes: > What was accepted then by the average person and what is acceptable now > has obviously changed, as have many other things in our society. "Amos > 'n' Andy" wouldn't get the same reaction today that it did in the > forties, either. (To those of you betting that I would get involved in this, collect your money.) Amos 'n Andy were played by white folks. They was funny back then, and they is still funny now. Rochester (Jack Benny's man-servant) was black, not a white guy playing a black man. The humor in both shows was based on situations. (Geeze, situation comedies, what a concept!) Jack Benny because he was cheap, and A 'n A because they were poor and a tad dim. If you wish to presume that I think all blacks are like those portrayed in Amos 'n Andy, simply because I find it humorous, you've lost your mind. And I refuse to appologize for finding it humorous. You should rent the tape "Raw" by Eddie Murphy and then come back and tell me about racist stereotypes. On prejudice, "I love women, but I wouldn't want my sister to marry one." 73 es GE from Jeff Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NA | "It is difficult to imagine our Internet: jangus@skyld.tele.com | universe run by a single omni- US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749 | potent god. I see it more as a Phone: 1 (310) 324-6080 | badly run corporation." ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 1993 09:38:09 -0800 From: parc!barrnet.net!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail@decwrl.dec.com Subject: Trying WEFAX To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Good Day all... I saw the request for information about trying WEFAX and decided I had to put my 2 cents in... I've tried a couple of the commercial WEFAX packages and used the JVFAX that is available via ftp on several of the machines.. I found that not only is the JVFAX cheaper to make (I did mine from the junk box) and I know it can be done inexpensively from any parts store, but when comparing the pictures obtained, you can't tell the difference from the commercial boards.. I'm sure the commercial stuff does other things as well but for a trial, I recommend the JVFAX. It works just as well and is well worth the cost... I lost interest but it wasn't cause it wouldn't do the job. 73 Dennis INTERNET: n6ng@crl.com AX25: dennis@wd6cmu.norcal.usa.na TCPIP: dennis@ccwest.n6ng ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 22:34:42 GMT From: library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!jholly@network.ucsd.edu Subject: TVI weirdness To: info-hams@ucsd.edu sohl,william h (whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com) wrote: : In article , : Thomas J. Farish wrote: : >The Cable TVI saga continues. I posted a few months ago about my : >neighbor's complaints about interference with his TV (his house is : >wired for cable TV in every room). : RED FLAG...RED FLAG... : plugged into it SHOULD then have a dummy 50ohm terminating plug Surely you don't recommend terminating a 75 ohm system with 50 ohms? Sure-fire 1.5:1 vswr! I would recommend 75 ohms. Jim,WA6SDM jholly@cup.hp.com ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 1993 10:04 PST From: mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!erich.triumf.ca!bennett@network To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <6m4aec1w165w@opus-ovh.spk.wa.us>, , .u Subject : Re: 10-Codes (with 36/37 fixed) In article , arog@BIX.com (arog on BIX) writes... > >In the post re: 10 Codes, 10-10 was given as "flight in progress." >10-10 is more commonly "out of service, subject to call" here on >the left.coast. > >------------------------------ >Alan Ogden, w6spk >arog@BIX.com moderator of ham.radio > Around here, 10-10 means "negative" 10-61 and 10-62 are coffee break and lunch break respectively. 10-80 thru 10-89 are "record of " Peter Bennett VE7CEI | Vessels shall be deemed to be in sight Internet: bennett@erich.triumf.ca | of one another only when one can be Bitnet: bennett@triumfer | observed visually from the other TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., Canada | ColRegs 3(k) ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V93 #1467 ****************************** ******************************